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LYCINUS

At first, it seems, they were level, but in the end victory was on the side of you Stoics, and the old man was well in front. At any rate they say that Euthydemus didn’t get away unscathed: he was badly wounded in the head. You see he was pretentious and argumentative and wouldn’t be convinced and didn’t show himself ready to take criticism, so your excellent teacher hit him with a cup as big as Nestor’s For Nestor’s cup, see Homer, Il. xi, 636. which he had in his hand (he was lying quite near him), and so he won.

HERMOTIMUS

Well done! That’s just how to treat those who won’t give way to their betters!

LYCINUS

Very reasonable, Hermotimus. What possessed Euthydemus to irritate an old man so placid and a master of his temper, who had such a heavy cup in his hand?

But now we have time to spare why don’t you tell a friend how you first took up philosophy? I myself, if it is still possible, could then begin there and join you all on the road. You are my friends and of course won’t shut me out.

HERMOTIMUS

I wish you would, Lycinus! You will soon see how much better you will be than the rest of mankind. Children you will think them all, mere children compared with you with your intellect so superior.

LYCINUS

Good enough, if after twenty years I could be as you are now.

HERMOTIMUS

Don’t worry. I myself was about your age when I began to study philosophy, about forty—as old as you are now I imagine.