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Socrates
Soc. Over boatswains who make use of rowers?
Socrates
Soc. Because that is the pilot’s distinction?
Socrates
Soc. Well, do you mean ruling over men who are flute-players, and who lead the singing and make use of dancers?
Socrates
Soc. Because, again, that is the chorus-teacher’s function?
Alcibiades
Alc. To be sure.
Socrates
Soc. But whatever do you mean by being able to rule over men who make use of men?
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Alcibiades
Alc. I mean ruling over men in the city who share in it as fellow-citizens, and do business with each other.
Socrates
Soc. Well, what art is this? Suppose I should ask you over again, as I did just now, what art makes men know how to rule over fellow-sailors?
Alcibiades
Alc. The pilot’s.
Socrates
Soc. And what knowledge—to repeat what was said a moment ago—makes them rule over their fellow-singers?
Alcibiades
Alc. That which you just mentioned, the chorus-teacher’s.
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Socrates
Soc. Well now, what do you call the knowledge of one’s fellow-citizens?
Alcibiades
Alc. Good counsel, I should say, Socrates.
Socrates
Soc. Well, and is the pilot’s knowledge evil counsel?
Socrates
Soc. Rather good counsel?
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Alcibiades
Alc. So I should think, for the preservation of his passengers.