Thesauros Edebiyat Felsefe Φίληβος

Φίληβος

Φίληβος Plato

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Socrates
Soc. Well, then, is it not better to leave her now and not to pain her by testing her to the utmost and proving her in the wrong?
Protarchus
Pro. Nonsense, Socrates!
Socrates
Soc. Nonsense because I spoke of paining pleasure, and that is impossible?
Protarchus
Pro. Not only that, but because you do not understand that not one of us will let you go yet until you have finished the argument about these matters. 5
Socrates
Soc. Whew, Protarchus! Then we have a long discussion before us, and not an easy one, either, this time. For in going ahead to fight mind’s battle for the second place, I think I need a new contrivance—other weapons, as it were, than those of our previous discussion, though perhaps some of the old ones will serve. Must I then go on?
Protarchus
Pro. Of course you must.
Socrates
Soc. Then let us try to be careful in making our beginning.
Protarchus
Pro. What kind of a beginning do you mean?
Socrates
Soc. Let us divide all things that now exist in the universe into two, or rather, if you please, three classes. 10
Protarchus
Pro. Please tell us on what principle you would divide them.
Socrates
Soc. Let us take some of the subjects of our present discussion.
Protarchus
Pro. What subjects?
Socrates
Soc. We said that God revealed in the universe two elements, the infinite and the finite, did we not?
Protarchus
Pro. Certainly. 15
Socrates
Soc. Let us, then, assume these as two of our classes, and a third, made by combining these two. But I cut a ridiculous figure, it seems, when I attempt a division into classes and an enumeration.
Protarchus
Pro. What do you mean, my friend?
Socrates
Soc. I think we need a fourth class besides.

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