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Protarchus

Pro. Is it possible?

Socrates

Soc. They say that what Philebus and his school call pleasures are all merely refuges from pain. 15

Protarchus

Pro. Do you recommend that we adopt their view, Socrates?

Socrates

Soc. No, but that we make use of them as seers who divine the truth, not by acquired skill, but by some innate and not ignoble repugnance which makes them hate the power of pleasure and think it so utterly unsound that its very attractiveness is mere trickery, not pleasure. You may make use of them in this way, considering also their other expressions of dislike; and after that you shall learn of the pleasures which seem to me to be true, in order that we may consider the power of pleasure from both points of view and form our judgement by comparing them.

Protarchus

Pro. You are right.

Socrates

Soc. Let us, then, consider these men as allies and follow them in the track of their dislike. I fancy their method would be to begin somewhere further back and ask whether, if we wished to discover the nature of any class—take the hard, for instance—we should be more likely to learn it by looking at the hardest things or at the least hard. Now you, Protarchus, must reply to them as you have been replying to me.

Protarchus

Pro. By all means, and I say to them that we should look at the greatest things. 20

Socrates

Soc. Then if we wished to discover what the nature of pleasure is, we should look, not at the smallest pleasures, but at those which are considered most extreme and intense.

Protarchus

Pro. Every one would agree to that now.

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