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Socrates
Soc. It has been said many times that pains and woes and aches and everything that is called by names of that sort are caused when nature in any instance is corrupted through combinations and dissolutions, fillings and emptyings, increases and diminutions.
Protarchus
Pro. Yes, that has been said many times.
Socrates
Soc. And we agreed that when things are restored to their natural condition, that restoration is pleasure.
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Socrates
Soc. But when neither of these changes takes place in the body, what then?
Protarchus
Pro. When could that be the case, Socrates?
Socrates
Soc. That question of yours is not to the point, Protarchus.
Protarchus
Pro. Why not?
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Socrates
Soc. Because you do not prevent my asking my own question again.
Protarchus
Pro. What question?
Socrates
Soc. Why, Protarchus, I may say, granting that such a condition does not arise, what would be the necessary result if it did?
Protarchus
Pro. You mean if the body is not changed in either direction?
Protarchus
Pro. It is clear, Socrates, that in that case there would never be either pleasure or pain.
Socrates
Soc. Excellent. But you believe, I fancy, that some such change must always be taking place in us, as the philosophers Heracleitus and his followers. say; for all things are always flowing and shifting.
Protarchus
Pro. Yes, that is what they say, and I think their theory is important.
Socrates
Soc. Of course it is, in view of their own importance. But I should like to avoid this argument which is rushing at us. I am going to run away; come along and escape with me.
Protarchus
Pro. What is your way of escape?