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Socrates
Soc. We said, you may remember, a little while ago, that when desires, as they are called, exist in us, the soul is apart from the body and separate from it in feelings.
Protarchus
Pro. I remember; that was said.
Socrates
Soc. And was not the soul that which desired the opposites of the conditions of the body and the body that which caused pleasure or pain because of feeling?
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Protarchus
Pro. Yes, that was the case.
Socrates
Soc. Then draw the conclusion as to what takes place in these circumstances.
Socrates
Soc. What takes place is this: in these circumstances pleasures and pains exist at the same time and the sensations of opposite pleasures and pains are present side by side simultaneously, as was made clear just now.
Protarchus
Pro. Yes, that is clear.
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Socrates
Soc. And have we not also said and agreed and settled something further?
Socrates
Soc. That both pleasure and pain admit of the more and less and are of the class of the infinite.
Protarchus
Pro. Yes, we have said that, certainly.
Socrates
Soc. Then what means is there of judging rightly of this?
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Protarchus
Pro. How and in what way do you mean?
Socrates
Soc. I mean to ask whether the purpose of our judgement of these matters in such circumstances is to recognize in each instance which of these elements is greater or smaller or more intense, comparing pain with pleasure, pain with pain, and pleasure with pleasure.
Protarchus
Pro. Certainly there are such differences, and that is the purpose of our judgement.
