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Socrates

Soc. And also the images painted there; and often a man sees an abundance of gold coming into his possession, and in its train many pleasures; and he even sees a picture of himself enjoying himself immensely.

Protarchus

Pro. Yes, certainly.

Socrates

Soc. Shall we or shall we not say that of these pictures those are for the most part true which are presented to the good, because they are friends of the gods, whereas those presented to the bad are for the most part false?

Protarchus

Pro. Surely we must say that. 10

Socrates

Soc. Then the bad also, no less than the good, have pleasures painted in their souls, but they are false pleasures.

Protarchus

Pro. Yes, surely.

Socrates

Soc. Then the bad rejoice for the most part in the false, and the good in true pleasures.

Protarchus

Pro. That is inevitably true.

Socrates

Soc. According to our present view, then, there are false pleasures in the souls of men, imitations or caricatures of the true pleasures; and pains likewise. 15

Protarchus

Pro. There are.

Socrates

Soc. We saw, you remember, that he who had an opinion at all always really had an opinion, but it was sometimes not based upon realities, whether present, past, or future.

Protarchus

Pro. Certainly.

Socrates

Soc. And this it was, I believe, which created false opinion and the holding of false opinions, was it not?

Protarchus

Pro. Yes. 20

Socrates

Soc. Very well, must we not also grant that pleasure and pain stand in the same relation to realities?

Protarchus

Pro. What do you mean?