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Socrates

Soc. You know that there is nothing to hinder a man from living the life of wisdom in this manner. 5

Protarchus

Pro. You mean without feeling pleasure or pain?

Socrates

Soc. Yes, for it was said, you know, in our comparison of the lives that he who chose the life of mind and wisdom was to have no feeling of pleasure, great or small.

Protarchus

Pro. Yes, surely, that was said.

Socrates

Soc. Such a man, then, would have such a life; and perhaps it is not unreasonable, if that is the most divine of lives.

Protarchus

Pro. Certainly it is not likely that gods feel either joy or its opposite. 10

Socrates

Soc. No, it is very unlikely; for either is unseemly for them. But let us reserve the discussion of that point for another time, if it is appropriate, and we will give mind credit for it in contending for the second place, if we cannot count it for the first.

Protarchus

Pro. Quite right.

Socrates

Soc. Now the other class of pleasure, which we said was an affair of the soul alone, originates entirely in memory.

Protarchus

Pro. How is that?

Socrates

Soc. We must, apparently, first take up memory, and perception even before memory, if these matters are to be made clear to us properly. 15

Protarchus

Pro. What do you mean?

Socrates

Soc. Assume that some of the affections of our body are extinguished in the body before they reach the soul, leaving the soul unaffected, and that other affections permeate both body and soul and cause a vibration in both conjointly and in each individually.

Protarchus

Pro. Let us assume that.