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Socrates

Soc. What if some other life be found superior to these two? Then if that life is found to be more akin to pleasure, both of us are defeated, are we not, by the life which has firm possession of this superiority, but the life of pleasure is victor over the life of wisdom. 15

Protarchus

Pro. Yes.

Socrates

Soc. But if it is more akin to wisdom, then wisdom is victorious and pleasure is vanquished? Do you agree to that? Or what do you say?

Protarchus

Pro. Yes, I at least am satisfied with that.

Socrates

Soc. But how about you, Philebus? What do you say?

Philebus

Phi. I think and always shall think that pleasure is the victor. But you, Protarchus, will make your own decision. 5

Protarchus

Pro. Since you entrusted the argument to me, Philebus, you can no longer dictate whether to make the agreement with Socrates or not.

Philebus

Phi. True; and for that reason I wash my hands of it and now call upon the goddess The goddess of Pleasure, Ἡδονή personified. herself to witness that I do so.

Protarchus

Pro. And we also will bear witness to these words of yours. But all the same, Socrates, Philebus may agree or do as he likes, let us try to finish our argument in due order.

Socrates

Soc. We must try, and let us begin with the very goddess who Philebus says is spoken of as Aphrodite but is most truly named Pleasure.

Protarchus

Pro. Quite right. 10