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Φίληβος

Φίληβος Plato

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Socrates
Soc. Observe, then, Protarchus, what the doctrine is which you are now to accept from Philebus, and what our doctrine is, against which you are to argue, if you do not agree with it. Shall we make a brief statement of each of them?
Protarchus
Pro. By all means.
Socrates
Soc. Very well: Philebus says that to all living beings enjoyment and pleasure and gaiety and whatever accords with that sort of thing are a good; whereas our contention is that not these, but wisdom and thought and memory and their kindred, right opinion and true reasonings, are better and more excellent than pleasure for all who are capable of taking part in them, and that for all those now existing or to come who can partake of them they are the most advantageous of all things. Those are pretty nearly the two doctrines we maintain, are they not, Philebus?
Philebus
Phi. Yes, Socrates, exactly.
Socrates
Soc. And do you, Protarchus, accept this doctrine which is now committed to you? 5
Protarchus
Pro. I must accept it; for our handsome Philebus has withdrawn.
Socrates
Soc. And must the truth about these doctrines be attained by every possible means?
Protarchus
Pro. Yes, it must.
Socrates
Soc. Then let us further agree to this:
Protarchus
Pro. To what? 10
Socrates
Soc. That each of us will next try to prove clearly that it is a condition and disposition of the soul which can make life happy for all human beings. Is not that what we are going to do?
Protarchus
Pro. It is.
Socrates
Soc. Then you will show that it is the condition of pleasure, and I that it is that of wisdom?
Protarchus
Pro. True.
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